Wednesday, January 30, 2008

The strange webs one gets caught in with time on one's hands....

Geez - what an afternoon.

Having heard of some of the stories mentioned below previously, I decided that I wanted to work out for myself what I thought had gone on. Here's my take on a famously heated, bitter and vituperative episode - which I've also posted to wikback.com.......


Welcome, Wordbomb to the wikback!

I know this is a chat forum, but having spent longer than I ever intended trying to work out what the heck's going on with Wikipedia, Overstock, Wordbomb, SlimVirgin, Pan-Am 103, and probably the Knights Templar, I've dusted of my 'NPOV' gloves, and I thought I'd post a bit of background from a hopefully neutral perspective. I confess to have ploughed through this mainly for my own clarity and edification - and I've probably got heaps of stuff wrong, so in the same spirit as your post, all should feel free to chime in;

You're Judd Bagley, alias Wordbomb, and you're banned from Wikipedia. Also, you work for Overstock.com whose CEO is Patrick Byrne.

Patrick Byrne has been fiercely critical of something called 'naked short selling', and at this point a journalist called Gary Weiss becomes involved - I think because he's either written about Patrick Byrne, or because he supports naked short selling, or says it doesn't exist (or something). Sorry to be unclear on this point.

You believe to that you've shown, amongst other things, that the editors 'Mantanmoreland' and 'Samiharris' are in fact said journalist Gary Weiss. You assert that there's a fairly straight forward abuse of 'sockpuppets' going on.

I think that's the meat of your situation, but there are a few unique side stories to this one, which are worth noting;

You report that Patrick Byrne may have met Slimvirgin in real life as a student, and recalls the interest in and personal relationship to the Pan Am 103 disaster of the woman he belives to be Slimvirgin. An amazing coincidence - but not really relavent, except......

When you were getting into troubled waters at wikipedia, you believe Slimvirgin acted unfairly and improperly, specifically you allege that you have evidence that private emails you sent to Slim were forwarded directly to Gary Weiss (I think).

I think even you would categorise your reaction to your troubles on wikipedia as aggressive; and some wikipedians assert that you have harassed / stalked / abused / 'sock'ed violently and vehemently ever since. For whatever reason, several fairly well known editors have been quite closely involved - these include;

* Jayjg, who you assert used the oversight tool inappropriately, and has used checkuser in your case
* Fred Bauder, who may have been aware of a 'sock' issue but not addressed it to your satisfaction
* David Gerard, who in dealing with what he perceived to be disruption / vandalism blocked an IP range as an 'open proxy' - it transpires that it's actually a Utah town!!
* JzG, whom you assert has used a 'sockpuppet', and who has been fairly vocally critical of you and your methods.
* Many other editors have put forward strong opinions that you are not to be trusted

Surpisingly, through the fog of the broo ha ha, I'm not sure if anyone has specifically said that your claim that Gary Weiss = Mantanmoreland = Samiharris is complete nonsense, or not - and having ruminated for a little while, I think I'm coming to the conclusion that that's really the most important question.

Thoughts?

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Somehow I'm not sure you or any anonymous editor on Wikipedia really wants to know the truth but
who knows ? Certainly certain Wikipedia editors not involved emotionally and mainly financially in 'securities' and penny stocks might.Their ruputations may in the end be soiled by both con artists Gary Weiss who works for Steve FGorbes and whose colleague and National Taxpayers Union founder James Dale Davidson started the fraudulent penny stock and near do well penny stock claim of being 'naked shorted' to distract from their illegal pump and dump operations that would be easy to spot and close down except for the corrupt SEC and its Chairman Christopher Naked Shorts Cox who is supporting ther fraud himself!

I know this for a fact because I was ripped off in the fraudulent Stanford University connected pump and dump 'biotech'called Endovasc that James Dale Davidson was involved in just as he was CEO of the fraudulent Genemax.His and his far right pals''newmax.con' may have been named for genemax or vice versa.

Uh you haven't gone back to my original additions to the James Dale Davidson biography that would tell yoiu all of this ?

You haven't noticed that it was reverted to a stub by anonymous Wikipedia 'editors' including MantyanMoreland who in my opinion sullies an African American actors name by using it for fraudulent edits on Wikipedia ?

Have you not noticed that Agora Inc's Bill Bonner also has a vanity Wikpedia bio and the
'editor' repoeated Bonner's liue that he was sole founder of the penny stock 'holding company' Agora Inc that in fact Davidson and Bonner have agreed Davidson founded in 1979 ? AND SINCE I'VE BEEN PUTTING THE HEAT TO THEM OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS bONNER HAS TAKEN TO REWRITTING PENNY STOCK FRAUD HISTORY AND CLAIMING HE IS SOLE FOUNDER OF THE BALTIMORE AND INTERNET BASED FRAUD CALLED AGORA INC..

Butr note the Lard William Rees-Mogg is still on board and he is more Davidson connected than Bonner connected.They both wrote scammy books together in the 1990's such as Sovereign Individual that promoted their offshore scam ops for penny stock fraud called LOM of Burmuda !You realy haven't caught on yet ?

Just investigate.Strange as it is till you open your eyes is the fact that both both Gary Weiss(and his MantanMoreland)as well as Patrick Byrne(and his Judd Bagely)protect Forbes' pal Davidson. Both
attak me or censor my posts on garyweiss.fraudspot.con as well as thesanitycheck.con sites and they both would do so if anyone else kept reminding them that James Dale Davidson founded NAANSS or National Association Against Naked Short Selling and that it was housed in the same Blaine,
Washington office as the Genemax fraud that also had ties to LOM of Bermuda among other offshore accounts !

You tell me,is it just a coincidence that Steve Forbes and Davidson NTU has 'National' in its acronym as well as do Davidson's NAANSS(now disappeared from internet) and Byrne's NCANS ?
HAVE YOU NOT SEEN THE POST BY
'BOB O'BRIEN' FROM THE YAHOO NFI
BOARD FROM JUNE 2,2005 IN WHICH O'BRIEN AND GANG ARE NERVOUS BECAUSE WSJ'S JESSE EISINGER IS PERSUING THEM AND O'BRIEN SAYS OUTRIGHT THAT JAMES DALE DAVIDSON PROVIDED NCANS ITS CELL PHONES ?
If these two groups of con artists - both Weiss-forbes and byrne-bagely had been snakes they would have bit you and you'd be de3ad by now.In fact I'm beginning to wonder if those at the wheel of Wikipedia are indeed brain dead !
Below is my indymedia post about all this.It's truly hard to believe you never saw it.
Tony Ryals


http://arkansas.indymedia.org/newswire/display/22016/index.php

Forbes on Wikipedia:Gary Weiss 'Edits' James Dale Davidson's and His Own Biography


Even Davidson's more recent 'biotech' penny stock scam Pluristem was not added to MantanMoreland's Davidson Wikipedia biography - but with reason - that's why he deleted my Davidson bio contribution in the first place - to censor the subject and facts about Davidson on Wikipedia.Too bad Gary Weiss' boss, Steve Forbes,encourages this type of irresponsible corporate behavior in its employees just as Gary Weiss encourages such behavior in his Wikipedia biographer MantanMoreland ! : .........




Gary Weiss,who is Byrne's supposed nemesis on Wikipedia as well as on his blog,besides being a lap dog of Steve Forbes whose forbes.con has aided Byrnes naked short selling claim and given good press to Cryptometrics whose Jag Media Holdings shell erroneously claims to be a naked shorting victim - also is an apologist for far right war fraudster and ex World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz.Gary Weiss also probably knows James Dale Davidson who is founder of Steve Forbes's et.al.'s National Taxpayers Union and whose Wikipedia bio was removed by MantanMoreland who wrote the vanity biography for Gary Weiss on Wikpedia.

Anonymous said...

One more fact...Lila Rajiva who also has a Wikipedia vanity biography but won't reveal her birth date or pecise place of birth(just like Weiss and Bonner)is also a part of the Agora Inc scam.
And she denied knowing any CIA then said Agora's and investmentu's Mark Skousen who hosted Ron Paul and James Dale Davidson at his Freedom Fest(I call it Fraud Freedom Fest)in Las Vegas this past year WAS CIA !
But you can find this fact on the world wide internet so she was just covering another of her lies !
Are you all proud to be hosting her phoney bio on youe Wikipedia !?